UPEI says financial challenge must be dealt with



Published on July 3, 2010
Published on July 8, 2010
Wayne Thibodeau  RSS Feed
Topics :
Human Rights Commission , Supreme Court , UPEI Faculty Association , P.E.I.

UPEI is warning that steps must be taken to deal with what it describes as a "serious financial challenge" as a result of the elimination of its mandatory retirement policy.

The university has posted an open letter on its website where it outlines some of the steps it will be taking to deal with an increase in cost of about $1 million to $1.5 million annually for the next five years.
Gary Bradshaw, vice-president of finance at UPEI, said in his letter that there will be a reduction in new hiring and overtime, a reallocation of teaching loads that will affect part-time and term teaching positions, deferral of renovation projects and maintenance, elimination of selected software licences, and a reduction in travel budgets, including athletic team travel.
As an immediate cost-saving measure, the university has cancelled a recently advertised position for an executive director of student affairs.
Bradshaw hints this is just the beginning.
"We will announce additional budget-reduction measures over the next several weeks," he writes.
In February, the Human Rights Commission found that UPEI had discriminated against two professors - Thomy Nilsson and Richard Wills - and Yogi Fell, a member of the support staff, by forcing them to retire at age 65.
UPEI is now appealing that decision through a judicial review in P.E.I.'s Supreme Court. That process could take up to 14 months.
In the meantime, the university is bound to comply with the order and reinstate the three workers.
Yogi Fell, who was a shipper at UPEI, calls Bradshaw's letter "disgusting" and said the university didn't save any money when they forced her to retire.
Two people were hired to replace her and they reclassified her job, giving her replacements $8,000 more than what she was making.
Fell said UPEI should be looking at the top if they want to cut costs.
"They quadrupled, quadrupled the management at the university during (UPEI President) Wade MacLauchlan's tenure," she said. "We haven't quadrupled the number of students."
Wayne Peters, a spokesman for the UPEI Faculty Association, described Bradshaw's letter as rhetoric. He said they understand the budgetary challenge in compensating the three individuals.
But he doesn't understand the university's argument that they will continue to have significant ongoing costs.
Peters said only two of the three are professors. The university would probably save about $50,000 each annually replacing a senior professor with a new hire, which would amount to about $100,000 annually.
"I'm not sold on the credibility of that kind of assessment," Peter said.
"While the university is taking this position with respect to budgetary issues, it still continues to put resources into the legal aspect of this to pursue a judicial review of the Human Rights decision. That money is coming from somewhere."
The three at the centre of the discrimination case have been locked in a battle that is now five years old.
They are scheduled to return to work in September.
Three others who were forced to retire are now examining their options.
Bradshaw was not available for an interview on Friday, but in his letter he says the cuts will be felt all across the campus.
But he adds, "... We are doing everything we can to protect our core operating areas over the coming year."

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  • Username
    Arlene
    - September 16, 2010 at 11:08:27

    As a student at UPEI, I have endured major violations of my rights and harmed greatly both emotionally with threats and blackmail as well as financially harmed when a newly PhD grad (2008 from a western coastal university) was appointed as my thesis advisor. I had been constantly threatened for months that he would destroy my thesis work thus far and I would have to re write a thesis which would cause a loss of income for this upcoming year if I reported these violations and threats against me. This prof broke the ethical protocols for our research study that he had submitted to the ethics committee, he did not pay me for research work I had completed, he filled out grants with my thesis title and my ethics research work I completed for him, and refused to pay me and gave the grant to his research assistant along with my work, and the list goes on. I finally gained the courage to report him and true to his threats he still went ahead with his initial blackmail and ruined my thesis which has resulted in additional costs for me to complete this degree, as well, I also loose potential earnings for the year. By reporting him I have suffered even more as he was able to follow through on his threats. Worse yet, he is still able to continue without any sanctions to do this again to other unsuspecting students. Kaodake has brought up a frightening point considering what has happened to me so far, I am not looking forward to seeing what might happen to a student either when a human rights complaint is filed against this university.

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    yogi
    - July 8, 2010 at 19:18:36

    The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.

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  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 19:18:36

    @an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
    The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    observer
    - July 8, 2010 at 19:12:54

    Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Phil
    - July 8, 2010 at 18:40:42

    I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

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  • Username
    zvi
    - July 8, 2010 at 18:21:08

    Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.

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  • Username
    top heavy with hacks
    - July 8, 2010 at 18:00:44

    i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    wog
    - July 8, 2010 at 17:43:04

    I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    BAm
    - July 8, 2010 at 17:31:18

    It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?

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  • Username
    Kaodake
    - July 8, 2010 at 17:19:56

    Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.

    UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.

    I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 17:12:49

    These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Donald L.
    - July 8, 2010 at 17:01:28

    So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?

    No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess.....

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 16:36:57

    Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 16:09:45

    I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    an employer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:56:51

    UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.

    If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    yogi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:45

    The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:45

    @an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
    The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    observer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:44

    Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Phil
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:38

    I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    zvi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:35

    Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    top heavy with hacks
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:31

    i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    wog
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:27

    I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    BAm
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:25

    It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Kaodake
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:23

    Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.

    UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.

    I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:21

    These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Donald L.
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:19

    So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?

    No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess.....

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:14

    Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:09

    I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    an employer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:07

    UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.

    If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    upei
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:06

    Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Cut to
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:05

    Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.

    As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?

    The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.

    Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    yogi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:51:02

    The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:51:02

    @an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
    The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    observer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:51:01

    Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Phil
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:55

    I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    zvi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:51

    Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    top heavy with hacks
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:47

    i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    wog
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:42

    I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    BAm
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:40

    It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Kaodake
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:37

    Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.

    UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.

    I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:36

    These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Donald L.
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:33

    So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?

    No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess.....

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:28

    Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:22

    I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    an employer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:19

    UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.

    If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    upei
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:18

    Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Cut to
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:17

    Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.

    As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?

    The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.

    Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    upei
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:13

    Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    yogi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:48:29

    The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.

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    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:48:29

    @an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
    The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine.

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    observer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:48:28

    Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.

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    Phil
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:25

    I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

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    zvi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:21

    Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.

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    top heavy with hacks
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:16

    i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!

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    wog
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:13

    I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.

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    BAm
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:10

    It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?

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    Kaodake
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:08

    Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.

    UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.

    I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint.

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    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:06

    These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.

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    Donald L.
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:04

    So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?

    No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess.....

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    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:58

    Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others

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    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:53

    I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.

    Submit a Comment

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    an employer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:51

    UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.

    If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    upei
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:49

    Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.

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    Cut to
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:48

    Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.

    As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?

    The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.

    Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Cut to
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:43

    Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.

    As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?

    The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.

    Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    yogi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:30

    The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:30

    @an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
    The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    observer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:29

    Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Phil
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:21

    I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    zvi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:17

    Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    top heavy with hacks
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:13

    i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    wog
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:09

    I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    BAm
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:06

    It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Kaodake
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:03

    Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.

    UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.

    I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:01

    These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Donald L.
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:59

    So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?

    No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess.....

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:53

    Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:47

    I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    an employer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:44

    UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.

    If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    upei
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:43

    Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Cut to
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:42

    Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.

    As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?

    The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.

    Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    yogi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:07

    The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:07

    @an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
    The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    observer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:06

    Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Phil
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:00

    I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    zvi
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:56

    Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    top heavy with hacks
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:51

    i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    wog
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:48

    I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    BAm
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:45

    It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Kaodake
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:43

    Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.

    UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.

    I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:41

    These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Donald L.
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:38

    So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?

    No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess.....

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Joe
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:33

    Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    UPEIgrad
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:27

    I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    an employer
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:24

    UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.

    If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    upei
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:23

    Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.

    Submit a Comment

  • Username
    Cut to
    - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:22

    Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.

    As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?

    The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.

    Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause.

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