UPEI is warning that steps must be taken to deal with what it describes as a "serious financial challenge" as a result of the elimination of its mandatory retirement policy.
UPEI says financial challenge must be dealt with
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- Arlene
- - September 16, 2010 at 11:08:27
As a student at UPEI, I have endured major violations of my rights and harmed greatly both emotionally with threats and blackmail as well as financially harmed when a newly PhD grad (2008 from a western coastal university) was appointed as my thesis advisor. I had been constantly threatened for months that he would destroy my thesis work thus far and I would have to re write a thesis which would cause a loss of income for this upcoming year if I reported these violations and threats against me. This prof broke the ethical protocols for our research study that he had submitted to the ethics committee, he did not pay me for research work I had completed, he filled out grants with my thesis title and my ethics research work I completed for him, and refused to pay me and gave the grant to his research assistant along with my work, and the list goes on. I finally gained the courage to report him and true to his threats he still went ahead with his initial blackmail and ruined my thesis which has resulted in additional costs for me to complete this degree, as well, I also loose potential earnings for the year. By reporting him I have suffered even more as he was able to follow through on his threats. Worse yet, he is still able to continue without any sanctions to do this again to other unsuspecting students. Kaodake has brought up a frightening point considering what has happened to me so far, I am not looking forward to seeing what might happen to a student either when a human rights complaint is filed against this university.
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- yogi
- - July 8, 2010 at 19:18:36
The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.
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- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 19:18:36
@an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine. -
- observer
- - July 8, 2010 at 19:12:54
Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.
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- Phil
- - July 8, 2010 at 18:40:42
I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ -
- zvi
- - July 8, 2010 at 18:21:08
Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.
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- top heavy with hacks
- - July 8, 2010 at 18:00:44
i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!
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- wog
- - July 8, 2010 at 17:43:04
I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.
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- BAm
- - July 8, 2010 at 17:31:18
It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?
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- Kaodake
- - July 8, 2010 at 17:19:56
Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.
UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.
I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint. -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 17:12:49
These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.
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- Donald L.
- - July 8, 2010 at 17:01:28
So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?
No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess..... -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 16:36:57
Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others
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- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 16:09:45
I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.
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- an employer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:56:51
UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.
If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world. -
- yogi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:45
The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.
-
- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:45
@an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine. -
- observer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:44
Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.
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- Phil
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:38
I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ -
- zvi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:35
Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.
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- top heavy with hacks
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:31
i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!
-
- wog
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:27
I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.
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- BAm
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:25
It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?
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- Kaodake
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:23
Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.
UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.
I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint. -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:21
These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.
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- Donald L.
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:19
So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?
No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess..... -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:14
Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others
-
- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:09
I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.
-
- an employer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:07
UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.
If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world. -
- upei
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:06
Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.
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- Cut to
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:52:05
Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.
As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?
The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.
Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause. -
- yogi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:51:02
The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.
-
- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:51:02
@an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine. -
- observer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:51:01
Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.
-
- Phil
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:55
I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ -
- zvi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:51
Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.
-
- top heavy with hacks
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:47
i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!
-
- wog
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:42
I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.
-
- BAm
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:40
It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?
-
- Kaodake
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:37
Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.
UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.
I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint. -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:36
These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.
-
- Donald L.
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:33
So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?
No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess..... -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:28
Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others
-
- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:22
I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.
-
- an employer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:19
UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.
If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world. -
- upei
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:18
Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.
-
- Cut to
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:17
Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.
As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?
The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.
Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause. -
- upei
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:50:13
Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.
-
- yogi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:48:29
The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.
-
- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:48:29
@an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine. -
- observer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:48:28
Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.
-
- Phil
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:25
I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ -
- zvi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:21
Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.
-
- top heavy with hacks
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:16
i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!
-
- wog
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:13
I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.
-
- BAm
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:10
It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?
-
- Kaodake
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:08
Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.
UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.
I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint. -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:06
These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.
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- Donald L.
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:47:04
So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?
No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess..... -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:58
Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others
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- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:53
I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.
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- an employer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:51
UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.
If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world. -
- upei
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:49
Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.
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- Cut to
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:48
Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.
As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?
The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.
Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause. -
- Cut to
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:43
Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.
As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?
The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.
Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause. -
- yogi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:30
The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.
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- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:30
@an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine. -
- observer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:29
Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.
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- Phil
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:21
I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ -
- zvi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:17
Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.
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- top heavy with hacks
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:13
i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!
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- wog
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:09
I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.
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- BAm
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:06
It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?
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- Kaodake
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:03
Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.
UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.
I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint. -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:46:01
These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.
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- Donald L.
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:59
So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?
No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess..... -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:53
Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others
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- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:47
I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.
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- an employer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:44
UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.
If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world. -
- upei
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:43
Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.
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- Cut to
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:42
Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.
As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?
The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.
Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause. -
- yogi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:07
The decision by the Human Rights Commision brings PEI in line with the rest of Canada, No Manditory Retirement. PEI Citizens now have a choice! Life sometimes gets in the way and not everyone can afford to retire at 65. But there appears to be no higher authority than Wade McLaughlan in PEI. Yes we were told they had deep pockets but this is a public institution and they are using your public money for this frivilous litigation. Wade is a lawyer and this is the game they play. Don't you think your tax dollar should be used for the student education, instead of more lawyer fees and court costs. Universities in Canada have survived without much whining. I am sure with a little creative management PEI will survive. Remember it is your tax dollar.
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- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:07
@an employer: As an employee, I have managed to survive in the REAL world before and after attending university.
The point i'm trying to make is this; just because a person is rather knowledgeable in a given area, doesn't mean they will be able to effectively pass on that knowledge to students. There are many professors who work very hard to make there courses engaging for the student and others who simply stand up and read from a text book! Why bother going to class when one could just read the book on their own time? I always enjoyed listening to a professor with a well prepared lecture and who was passionate and confident enough to take a few questions along the way. It seems that some profs will lose that passion and fall into a dull, lifeless routine. -
- observer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:06
Actually I believe learning to think critically is really the focus of higher education...not just doing well on tests, which could be a matter of simply spewing back information you've memorized. Perhaps that worked in your day, but not any more.
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- Phil
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:45:00
I notice that in this article there is no mention of how much the University spent on legal fees to cover their portion of the cost to take the case to the Human Rights Commission and now the appeal to the PEI Supreme Court. Universities simply aren't used to running as profitable businesses. They are used to living off tax dollars and student fees. Apparently, that needs to change.
http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ -
- zvi
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:56
Dear Joe from Wellington: Some of the professors who were forced to, or were about to be forced to, retire, have worked there for less than 20 years. They didn't quite have their careers, as you put it. And top heavy with hacks -- you may not know that none of the professors forced out are from PEI, they were all hired after national searches.
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- top heavy with hacks
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:51
i just can't resist commenting.This place was a grave yard for politicial hacks for years and we are seeing the effect of all this pork coming to a head. It is the way that the old guard does business in old pei. All sectors of health , education and tourism operate like this.Patronage is the only way these people can keep control, not having the wherewithall to make things happen without goverment money.No experience other than being willing to lie steal and cheat has got us in this mess. With no qualifations other than being a career political hack the mistakes of bad management comes back to roost.Time to send ghiz and these hacks packing. Ghiz can go back to chrietiens office and carry coffee and newspapers to his buddies. We nead people with experience in real bussiness surroundings to lead us into the future!!
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- wog
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:48
I don't believe the style of presentation of a professor is relevant. He is there to impart knowledge, you are there to receive it. In fact, one is PAYING alot of money to receive it. So the professor needs not capture the imagination of his audience as the audience should already be motivated on their own. He isn't there to entertain or dazzle you. If one is disseminating old info, or outdated info, if he doesn't make himself available to students or if he is hard to understand, thats another matter. But if the info is there...just take it. I am a college grad and attended plenty of lectures before the dawn of technology and the digital age. Some of my teachers were animated, some weren't very good presentors, but they all knew alot more than I did. I was more concerned with just getting everything down and doing well on the tests. I don't know what else matters.
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- BAm
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:45
It is not clear why McLaughlan has chosen this as his legacy? And it is even more confusing why UPEI's Board of Governors supported this?
-
- Kaodake
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:43
Sour grapes. Sounds like a thinly-veiled smear campaign against the three individuals who filed the human rights complaint.
UPEI seems to be trying to build a hostile environment for the returning faculty/staff by blaming their own financial mis-management on those who won the case. Very un-professional, and it won't bring any new students to the university. It's easy to see where this is going: from now on, whenever the university hikes tuition and other costs, they will point the finger at Tommy Nilsson, Richard Wills and Yogi fell.
I's hate to see what they might do to a STUDENT who files a human rights complaint. -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:41
These people that will not quit teaching are very selfish. They had their careers time to step aside and let some younger people have the jobs. Just another reason for young teachers to leave the Island. Should be mandatory for all people over 65 to retire.
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- Donald L.
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:38
So the university makes a mistake obvious to a first year law student, discrimination based on age, then allows it to go the Human Rights, still refuses to back down, racks up legal fees for years in a no-win situation, hoping as best case scenario for a Pyrrhic victory and then tells the students they'll have to suck it up?
No sympathy for the self imposed recluse in the ivory tower that made that idiotic call. Proof that academic intelligence and common sense are two different measures of mental prowess..... -
- Joe
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:33
Just curious Zivi what did they do for the first 45 years of their lives? Go to school for the first 40 like so many seem to want to these days. I worked for 40 years and then retired if they could,nt save enough for retirement they obviously did not budget wisely. It is time to let the younger teacherd teach. The older should volunteer their vast knowledge in helping others
-
- UPEIgrad
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:27
I had one of the mentioned professors during my studies at UPEI and I have to admit I felt he was over the hill back in 2002! While although he was quite knowledgeable in his area, that alone wasn't enough to compensate for his outdated course material and primitive methods of presentation. I'd swear he used the same overheads since 1974!! New minds offer new ideas and will be better able to interact with the youth of today. The quality of education should be the most important aspect to consider in this case.
-
- an employer
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:24
UPEIgrad, as an employer , you might be interested that I am NOT goping to go out of my way to use all the latest mutlimedia tools and do a whiz bang presentation to give you a work assignment.
If you can't gather information without having it spoon fed to you in a way that keeps you from drifting off while Iam talking to you, you are not going to survive in the REAL world. -
- upei
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:23
Perhaps they should close up the School of Nursing? Laying off Nursing professors, instructors, and admin staff, could save a substantial amount of money for a few years. Since RN's won't be needed as they were in the past due to our new model of care that is being implemented, there is no need for UPEI to accept 60+ nursing students and take all their money, as they won't have jobs to pay back their student loans.... Unless they want to apply for some of the LPN positions, which would mean 1/2 their salary would go towards student loan payments.
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- Cut to
- - July 8, 2010 at 15:44:22
Joe from Wellington, you're spot on. These old hands who can't think of anything else to do with their lives masquerade under the guise of fighting for a worthy cause. And the faculty Association trumpets it, along with a lot of nonsense. The real reason why these people won't step down and give the younger generation a chance is like Joe says, pure selfishnesss.
As to the posters on here who seem to think that the legal fees the university is paying could have been used to pay the salaries of these people who are past their prime, do you not know the difference between an operating budget with built in costs and a one-off payment?
The university is going to have to cut its operating expenses to pay for the big salaries of these old hands. And it's time the Faculty Asssociation realized that you can't have your cake and eat it.
Seems to me that it's the administration who are fighting the worthy cause.






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